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#1 mbalsiger

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Posted 28 August 2014 - 05:33 AM

I have a 2003 B52 Team Edition that has 2100 lbs stock in floor ballast, 800, 800, 500

(the bow tank sits under a "play pen" so any additional ballast has to sit on the cushion)

 

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I am going to have the existing plumbing upgraded and plumb in Fat Sacs in the rear lockers (with an X Connect) and I am trying to decide if I should plumb in 750's or 1100's  (the lockers are large enough to fit)

 

The ballast configuration would be:

  surf side   800+1100 = 1900

  non surf   400           =    400

  bow          500+750  =  1250 (this 750 would be a sac with a Tsunami)

  Total                         =  3550

 

My question is can the boat handle this much weight? 

Should I just plumb in 750's?

 

Thanks

 

 

 

 



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Posted 28 August 2014 - 05:43 AM

Get the larger bags - you don't have to fill them all the way (if you only need 750, you can put that in a 1100 - you can't put 1100 into a 750).


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Posted 28 August 2014 - 05:52 AM

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Posted 28 August 2014 - 06:03 AM

you can't put 1100 into a 750).

that is not entirely true….during my New Years day surf adventure this year

 

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I forgot to put the drain plug in the bag and I think I ended up with about 750 in the bag and another 400 in the locker…DOH!   :wacko:


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Posted 28 August 2014 - 06:03 PM

I can't believe you're going to put that much weight in the bow.
Granted, I don't know these boats very well, but too much bow weight always ends up being counter-productive (for surfing) in any of the boats I've been in. Wakeboarding is a different story.

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 05:26 AM

I can't believe you're going to put that much weight in the bow.

I don't know that I will actually end up with 1250 in the bow.  I have a hard tank that sits under the cushion in the above photo and I have a 750 sac that I will use for additional weight to "balance" the weight in the rear.  If I go to 1100 sacs I have the ability for another 750 in the bow, I will have to play with it to determine how much I actually fill that sack.


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 10:24 AM

that is not entirely true….during my New Years day surf adventure this year
 
I forgot to put the drain plug in the bag and I think I ended up with about 750 in the bag and another 400 in the locker…DOH!   :wacko:


It would be impossible to have a full bag if your drain was wide open... and why wasn't your bilge pump kicking on!?
If you for sure had "a bunch" of weight in your bilge and it made it surf better, I'd look into putting some lead(or equivalent) in the bilge area. I'd think a bunch of water in there's probably a bad idea. ;)

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 10:27 AM

I'd say that if you sink then that was too much.


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 01:31 PM

I'd say that if you sink then that was too much.

LOL….ya, that's helpful  :D


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Posted 29 August 2014 - 01:38 PM

I've heard a couple people say putting a 1000 or more in the bow causes you to take lots of waves over the nose while turning, going slow. I had around 800 + in the bow the other day with out a ton in the rear. Maybe 600 in the locker and stock tank filled and if I wasn't careful I'd take a little over here n there. Probably poor driving but I bet it would of been real easy to take another few hundred pounds on if I wasn't paying attention

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Posted 29 August 2014 - 01:38 PM

Guess it matters how your offsetting it in the rear

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Posted 30 August 2014 - 07:08 AM

Last night I had 8 in the boat and 1 surfing (3 in the bow ~400 lbs.)

 

I ran with stock port full, bow full, starboard 1/2 full and a 750 in the port locker @ 10.5 and the wave was TERRIBLE!  Actually you couldn't even call it a wave it was really more a wall of mush.

 

I emptied the starboard tank and slowed to 9.5 the wave cleaned up a lot however there was not a lot of push (at least according to the surfers as I never seem to get to go) and it was short and steep.

 

Any ideas?



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Posted 30 August 2014 - 07:28 AM

I can only give you what i have found on ours. 2014 23wb. We run 100 in the bow, port tank full, starboard about 3/4 full, polate down 1/4 to 1/2 to make top of wave clean and long. 1100 in raer locker. We run around 10.7 to 11.4. Below 10 on our there is no wave just mush and zero push.


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Posted 30 August 2014 - 07:33 AM

I can only give you what i have found on ours. 2014 23wb. We run 100 in the bow, port tank full, starboard about 3/4 full, polate down 1/4 to 1/2 to make top of wave clean and long. 1100 in raer locker. We run around 10.7 to 11.4. Below 10 on our there is no wave just mush and zero push.

sounds like I just need to get a new boat  :D


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Posted 30 August 2014 - 07:53 AM

sounds like I just need to get a new boat  :D

No just need to play with it and get it dialed.


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Posted 30 August 2014 - 09:55 AM

sounds like I just need to get a new boat  :D

 

I know a guy who can help you out with that.


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Posted 30 August 2014 - 10:08 AM

Last night I had 8 in the boat and 1 surfing (3 in the bow ~400 lbs.)

I ran with stock port full, bow full, starboard 1/2 full and a 750 in the port locker @ 10.5 and the wave was TERRIBLE! Actually you couldn't even call it a wave it was really more a wall of mush.

I emptied the starboard tank and slowed to 9.5 the wave cleaned up a lot however there was not a lot of push (at least according to the surfers as I never seem to get to go) and it was short and steep.

Any ideas?

Where you on the river? Where you going upstream or downstream?

If downstream, I would say your going way to slow because of current. Check your ground speed when just floating idle. Use a gps app or something like that to check it. Then add it or subtract it from 11 depending on your direction.

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Posted 30 August 2014 - 10:25 AM

Where you on the river? Where you going upstream or downstream?

If downstream, I would say your going way to slow because of current. Check your ground speed when just floating idle. Use a gps app or something like that to check it. Then add it or subtract it from 11 depending on your direction.

we put it at Boones Ferry and we were up river from Champoeg Park

we were surfing up river

I was tweaking the perfect pass, started at 10.5 came and worked down to 9.0 until I settled in at 9.5

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Posted 30 August 2014 - 10:28 AM

Well than I'm surprised you were mushy at 10.5 and cleaner at 9.5.

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Posted 30 August 2014 - 10:36 AM

Well than I'm surprised you were mushy at 10.5 and cleaner at 9.5.

I know, weird right….I am having a really hard time getting this thing dialed in.

 

I wonder if it has to do with my hull being so flat….

 

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