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#1 Disco

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Posted 10 December 2016 - 01:41 PM

I'm going to add 900/1100s in the rear lockers. Would you guys go with reversible Johnson/Ballast Puppies or aerator pumps? On the surface it seems high end reversible pumps are the bees' knees but having two cheaper, slightly faster aerators that can't be hurt by running dry is a better choice.  

 

Are Fly High bags superior to Ronix or Straight Line Sumos? I know several installers won't touch the last two. It would be nice to use some of their proprietary super high flow pumps vs. the slower Fly High pumps. 

 

Any other ideas I'm missing?

 

Many thanks in advance!


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Posted 10 December 2016 - 01:44 PM

Fly High no questions asked sent me a new bag when my two year old one sprung a leak

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Posted 10 December 2016 - 01:47 PM

Like you said the reversibles are the way to go, airetors take longer but work. I'm still tossing a pump over the side and it's not too bad. I plan to add reversibles this winter if all plays out

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Posted 10 December 2016 - 02:00 PM

Wow, Olds, you are on it! What about burning that high dollar pump up as you forget or someone bumps the rocker switch and leaves it on? 


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Posted 10 December 2016 - 02:08 PM

Use a switch that has a indicator light for when it's in the on position like the factory ones and you can glance down to see it's on and they offer the pump timers now which is whicked smart!!!

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Posted 10 December 2016 - 04:06 PM

I'm in the middle of this project now with a 2016 b52. I have 1100's for the rear. I went with the wakemaker bags. I also bought the wake makers kit, for the reversible pumps. From what I have heard it is the way to go.
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Posted 10 December 2016 - 04:11 PM

Also, while on paper the aerator pumps have a higher gpm rating, there are many factors that can lessen performance. (Bag placement in relation to pump, hose length, ect). However I had aerator pumps in my 2014 Malibu wake setter and they did just fine.

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Posted 10 December 2016 - 08:52 PM

I went with reversible also. I had all three drains right next to me at the drivers seat. Then I knew when they were done.
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Posted 10 December 2016 - 08:57 PM

Here is a link to my install. All drains on drivers side and vents on other side to match. The fourth hole is the stock ballast tank vent.

 

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Posted 11 December 2016 - 05:52 AM

Doesn't burn the pump--just the impeller. I have had to replace a couple. I have had aerators left on also that got hot, then deformed and sprung a water leak that wasn't coolZ


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Posted 11 December 2016 - 07:54 AM

I went with reversible also. I had all three drains right next to me at the drivers seat. Then I knew when they were done.


Don't reversables drain back to the point of fill, so under the boat? Maybe you ment the vents were placed at the helm so you could see when the bags were full and over flowing?

Best to just keep an eye on the bags. Sometimes you can hear an audible pitch change in the pumps and then know they are no longer pushing water.

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Posted 11 December 2016 - 08:28 AM

Don't reversables drain back to the point of fill, so under the boat? Maybe you ment the vents were placed at the helm so you could see when the bags were full and over flowing?

Best to just keep an eye on the bags. Sometimes you can hear an audible pitch change in the pumps and then know they are no longer pushing water.

You can drain back to under the boat. I choose not to. I added check valves on all three pumps. Then I could drain to drivers side so i knew when they were empty.


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Posted 11 December 2016 - 08:32 AM

Here is a diagram.

 

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Posted 11 December 2016 - 12:14 PM

It's only a check valve, t and one more hole in the side of the boat to drain above and you can see it for sure without moving people or opening hatches and whatnot.
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Posted 11 December 2016 - 06:12 PM

For those with reversibles, did you drain through the intake or add Tees and gunwale drains? 


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Posted 11 December 2016 - 06:32 PM

For those with reversibles, did you drain through the intake or add Tees and gunwale drains?


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Posted 11 December 2016 - 07:30 PM

I'm going to be draining under the boat. Much simpler compared to adding more hose and check valves

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Posted 11 December 2016 - 07:50 PM

Guy--don't those checkvalves nearly always develop leaks of some sort?

 

I drain through the floor.  Just pay a little attention and its fine, I can tell by glancing at the swim platform compared to the water surface and know I am close.  Then I might save the last little bit for when I am on the hoist--and I can hear it quit.

 

I did leave them on once and burn them both up.  Just swapped impellers and back in biz.


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Posted 11 December 2016 - 08:22 PM

Out the floor you can hear the sound of the pump change when empty

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Posted 14 December 2016 - 08:26 AM

Thanks for all your input. I've decided to go with Jabsco kings, through hull ports for each pump, wavemakers shutoff/timer, drain through the floor, through-the-side vents with check valves, and wavemakers LBS 45L x 20W x 25H 910# bags in the lockers. I'll see how she does without front ballast before adding that if needed. 

 

Two questions: should I mimic the factory PNP pump locations or is there a better location? I certainly want easy access to the impellers without removing the pump or the bracket. 

I feel comfortable with the entire install with the exception of the wiring and switches. Any good words of wisdom or photos of that part of the install? 


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