dakota4ce Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 Greetings fellas. Quick question for those that slam their boats into a listed setup for surfing: how many degrees of list would you say your boat has at rest when set up for max wave? I am using a 15+ degree listed setup in a Tige, which frankly is ABSURD. The upside to the obvious danger is that the wave is long, strong and super fun at 11.8-12.2 mph. Walking? Challenging. Water over sides? Yep. Very uncomfortable passengers? Many. Offers from passers by to call rescue boats? 4x last summer So we want to lessen that number. Do we need to surf level? Not exactly, although it is nice. But surfing with a comfortable 6-7-8 degrees would be nice. Please shower me with info. Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dobber Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 Do you have a pic of your boat set up for surfing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greeko Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 Greetings fellas. Quick question for those that slam their boats into a listed setup for surfing: how many degrees of list would you say your boat has at rest when set up for max wave? I am using a 15+ degree listed setup in a Tige, which frankly is ABSURD. The upside to the obvious danger is that the wave is long, strong and super fun at 11.8-12.2 mph. Walking? Challenging. Water over sides? Yep. Very uncomfortable passengers? Many. Offers from passers by to call rescue boats? 4x last summer So we want to lessen that number. Do we need to surf level? Not exactly, although it is nice. But surfing with a comfortable 6-7-8 degrees would be nice. Please shower me with info. Cheers! I think you can get away with 8-10 degrees on the pickle fork boats and a little less on the traditional bow boats.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalamazoo Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 I just went GSA, so listing is no longer going to happen. when it did it wasnt terribly severe. I think i've not counter-ballasted enough a few times which led to severe listing (and not necessarily a better wave). If you heavily load one side, ballast the bow and then counter ballast the other side (maybe 30%) you 'sink' the entire hull more, which creates greater displacement and a larger wave with less list. Of course, this is with an MB, which has a great hull for surf. hope that helps. dakota4ce 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dakota4ce Posted November 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 Do you have a pic of your boat set up for surfing? This is without the bodies! However, it "produces." Very fun wave. scottdpfister and oldsmobiledriver 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalamazoo Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 any bow weight? any "counter" weight? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dakota4ce Posted November 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 any bow weight? any "counter" weight? Yes that has 500-600 in bow, and very little counter weight. This boat does not accept counter weight very well. I could probably benefit from a platform trim and then make counter weight more useful, but there is nothing lacking in the wave, really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalamazoo Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 Yes that has 500-600 in bow, and very little counter weight. This boat does not accept counter weight very well. I could probably benefit from a platform trim and then make counter weight more useful, but there is nothing lacking in the wave, really. i haven't been on one of those before, but that seems both really listed plus really sunk at the rear. have you ever tried a 400 or similar maybe on the floor midway up? it sort of acts as a little bit of bow, center, surf-side weight for me at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dakota4ce Posted November 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 I just went GSA, so listing is no longer going to happen. when it did it wasnt terribly severe. I think i've not counter-ballasted enough a few times which led to severe listing (and not necessarily a better wave). If you heavily load one side, ballast the bow and then counter ballast the other side (maybe 30%) you 'sink' the entire hull more, which creates greater displacement and a larger wave with less list. Of course, this is with an MB, which has a great hull for surf. hope that helps. Therein lies my decision. I have an F24 Tomcat on the way. It is currently naked. My initial plan has been GSA all the way, then started reading waaaaay too much info on listing, slappers, GSA so on and so forth. Just to do my due diligence, I am making sure of my plan prior to spending the cabbage. The 24Ve above is optimized, I promise. Lots of messing with it, and counter weight did not help. At least not enough counter weight to really take back the list. After this pic was snapped, I began adding more to bow, but really it never was very nose high. The boat is so fun, its just that the list is a bit harrowing for your average everyday visitor to the cabin. I have been hit broadside by rollers and thought for sure I would be swimming, but no! Amazingly stable in the "sinking it intentionally" setup. BTW not kidding on water patrol rescue calls. It has happened more than once. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Donfather Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 This is without the bodies! However, it "produces." Very fun wave. Well there is your main problem. It is a TIGE. Smokinjo, MidnightMax, dakota4ce and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somepeteguy Posted November 5, 2015 Report Share Posted November 5, 2015 Quick question for those that slam their boats into a listed setup for surfing: how many degrees of list would you say your boat has at rest when set up for max wave? Max list at rest, no fatsacs with legs yet. oldsmobiledriver, WakeDirt and scottdpfister 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dakota4ce Posted November 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 Well there is your main problem. It is a TIGE. Well. You do have me there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dakota4ce Posted November 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 Max list at rest, no fatsacs with legs yet. _PSF2097.jpg In my world, this is DEAD LEVEL man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greeko Posted November 6, 2015 Report Share Posted November 6, 2015 In my world, this is DEAD LEVEL man! the b52 23 do not need much list.. Sick wave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WakeDirt Posted November 7, 2015 Report Share Posted November 7, 2015 In my world, this is DEAD LEVEL man! I had a 06 B52 23V Team and I listed it to about the tie down points on the back, and my F22 looked about like pete's in the photo above. My current Avalanche lists over pretty damn far, but man the wave is makin...... Dave 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsmobiledriver Posted November 7, 2015 Report Share Posted November 7, 2015 We need pics dirt!!! Damn WakeDirt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smokinjo Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 I say slappers on the new 24 with MartinArchers control. oldsmobiledriver and MidnightMax 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidnightMax Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 ^^^ +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WakeDirt Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Olds, you know how I roll...I think bigfoot has better documentation than my boats oldsmobiledriver and Mucker626 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsmobiledriver Posted November 9, 2015 Report Share Posted November 9, 2015 Lol hahahahaha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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