oboyskibum Posted March 29, 2021 Report Share Posted March 29, 2021 Which JL amps is MB installing for the 4 vs 6 tower speakers setup? Which amplifier do you get with the subwoofer upgrade to the 12" vs the 10"? trying to decide to upgrade with MB or have the local JL shop add them 4k seems like a lot for 2 extra towers ad a 12 unless that amps are upgraded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guppydriver Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 I know the factory upgrade from 10" to 12" sub is pretty ridiculous price wise. $1500 dollars or so IIRC. I was told this is because of the need to strengthen or bulk up the fiberglass around the speaker. You could add another 10" sub and a sweet amp for about 1/3 less. Which shop do you use? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norcal1 Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 My boat is being built right now and I don’t even recall this option for JL. I know they had it for exile but didn’t think so for JL. Could be wrong tho. Agree with guppy none the less, add more later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oboyskibum Posted March 30, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 The boat shack said the (6) tower systems with 12" sub upgrade comes with the (1) M1000/1v2 (2) M400/4 and (2) M800/8V2. If the upgrade is the marine 12 the retail price for the JL M7 12 is $500 more than the 10 and the Amp is upgraded as well. One problem for me is my wife isn't going to want me to upgrade after I buy the new boat, she likes the idea of everything being stock. I have had audio extreme do some work for me. They are good and a JL dealer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyperryd Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 How are they powering 6 towers with that amp combo? I’m assuming the 800/8 but not sure how you get the same power to all 6 equally and it still is pretty under powered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guppydriver Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 53 minutes ago, oboyskibum said: The boat shack said the (6) tower systems with 12" sub upgrade comes with the (1) M1000/1v2 (2) M400/4 and (2) M800/8V2. If the upgrade is the marine 12 the retail price for the JL M7 12 is $500 more than the 10 and the Amp is upgraded as well. One problem for me is my wife isn't going to want me to upgrade after I buy the new boat, she likes the idea of everything being stock. I have had audio extreme do some work for me. They are good and a JL dealer. If you've got the money and demand stock, then why the heck not ....it will sound better. However...from a pure value standpoint (bang for your buck per se), I don't think the 12" sub is by any means a "good deal". Even Jason told me "If you're on a budget, probably not worth it". If the 12" would have been a $500 dollar upgrade, I would have done it, but not at that price point. I do think the sub is the weakest link in the stock 4 speaker package for sure tho. Have you heard the all black "Vanta" at TBS? TBS upgraded all the internal speakers from 6" to 8". It's pretty amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkdad22 Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 I ordered the upgraded Sub and was told it would come with an addl designated amp. I should have it very soon so might be able to clarify. jcole21 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turps73 Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 i jsut placed my order and from what i am told its also to upgrade from the 6" to 8" speakers as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moto1 Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 Our boat came with the bigger sub, and we have the four speakers up on the tower, I’m taking the boat over to one of the local audio shops to see if they can fine-tune the system, I’m a little bit disappointed in the sound quality of the whole thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guppydriver Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 26 minutes ago, Moto1 said: Our boat came with the bigger sub, and we have the four speakers up on the tower, I’m taking the boat over to one of the local audio shops to see if they can fine-tune the system, I’m a little bit disappointed in the sound quality of the whole thing. Sound system aside...... GOOD HELL THAT’S A GORGEOUS BOAT!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkdad22 Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 36 minutes ago, Moto1 said: Our boat came with the bigger sub, and we have the four speakers up on the tower, I’m taking the boat over to one of the local audio shops to see if they can fine-tune the system, I’m a little bit disappointed in the sound quality of the whole thing. Well that makes me nervous as hell! That sucks man. But ya BA lookin boat fs. So did ur upgrade included the 8s for interior speaks as well? Can u tell what sub model it is? Any pics of sub and amp setup to verify addl amp would be helpful if it’s not too much trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oboyskibum Posted March 30, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 I just talked to The Boats Shack and the upgraded 12 is the M7-12. Having the stereo tuned is a really good idea. Value all comes down to personal preference. I love base. I have a 3k sub in my home theater with dual 15's. The JL top of the line home theater runs 15K not sure I can justify the cost. Guppydriver 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikewoods Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 This is what I got regarding the system with 4 tower speakers. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1M8RN7nfFB6HJa0Uilxj1eNpEGWHfiPdM/view?usp=sharing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oboyskibum Posted March 30, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 1 hour ago, turps73 said: i jsut placed my order and from what i am told its also to upgrade from the 6" to 8" speakers as well Are those the 8.8's or the 7.7's? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodiestcadaver Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 1 hour ago, oboyskibum said: I just talked to The Boats Shack and the upgraded 12 is the M7-12. Having the stereo tuned is a really good idea. Value all comes down to personal preference. I love base. I have a 3k sub in my home theater with dual 15's. The JL top of the line home theater runs 15K not sure I can justify the cost. WTF! that is only a 600 watt sub. Hardly an upgrade IMO since the exile upgrade was a 2000 watt sub(granted it was paired with a 1500 watt amp). I need a replacement for the big12, mine never came with one and I can't find one even close Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oboyskibum Posted March 30, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 https://www.jlaudio.com/collections/car-audio-subwoofers-w7ae/products/13w7ae-d1-5-car-audio-w7ae-subwoofers-92116 bloodiestcadaver 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oboyskibum Posted March 30, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 There is a lot more to sounds quality than watts. Honestly I am really glad to see JL in the new boats, it kept me from changing out the exile system. Exile isn't bad I just don't think its on par with JL, Wetsounds, and a lot of other major players out there. Just my 2cents. This would probably match up with the big12 replacement: https://www.skaraudio.com/products/vxf-12-inch-car-subwoofer https://www.skaraudio.com/collections/zvxv2-subwoofer-series/products/zvx-12v2-12-inch-car-subwoofer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moto1 Posted March 30, 2021 Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 I’ll make sure the audio people give me a written breakdown of each component and they’re wattage/amp’s/size, The appointment is this Thursday.. bloodiestcadaver 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oboyskibum Posted March 30, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 17 minutes ago, Moto1 said: I’ll make sure the audio people give me a written breakdown of each component and they’re wattage/amp’s/size, The appointment is this Thursday.. See if they can give you the amp tuning settings. You might want them in case someone messes with them, you need to replace an amp or you want to share them. jcole21 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oboyskibum Posted March 30, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2021 8 hours ago, Hyperryd said: How are they powering 6 towers with that amp combo? I’m assuming the 800/8 but not sure how you get the same power to all 6 equally and it still is pretty under powered. If you look at Mikes google doc below you can see that tower speakers are all bridged. From a purely power perspective the amps are rated at 200 watts bridged, which fit into the suggested power rating for the JL 8.8 towers. 2 hours ago, Mikewoods said: This is what I got regarding the system with 2 tower speakers. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1M8RN7nfFB6HJa0Uilxj1eNpEGWHfiPdM/view?usp=sharing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodiestcadaver Posted March 31, 2021 Report Share Posted March 31, 2021 22 hours ago, oboyskibum said: https://www.jlaudio.com/collections/car-audio-subwoofers-w7ae/products/13w7ae-d1-5-car-audio-w7ae-subwoofers-92116 Is this marine rated? this may be what want since I can't get the big12. I agree about wattage not being the only factor. But when I paid for package C with my boat. I want the power! lol. You can change the gears in a car to make it "feel" faster. But if the power isn't there, it will lack. Especially on a sub. I want my teeth to rattle! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wylietunes Posted March 31, 2021 Report Share Posted March 31, 2021 3 hours ago, bloodiestcadaver said: Is this marine rated? this may be what want since I can't get the big12. The big-12 is not a marine woofer. Its based off the Dayton Ultimax 12. bloodiestcadaver 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MXGUY741 Posted April 1, 2021 Report Share Posted April 1, 2021 Haven’t really messed around with the stereo on the new 21 alpha we recently got. Hasn’t been on the water yet and with tower down in garage haven’t messed with. Are the amps turned down pretty low from factory. I got 4 towers along with 10in sub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bloodiestcadaver Posted April 1, 2021 Report Share Posted April 1, 2021 17 hours ago, Wylietunes said: The big-12 is not a marine woofer. Its based off the Dayton Ultimax 12. My dealer offered me a wetsounds sub as well, What would be comparable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oboyskibum Posted April 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 1, 2021 @bloodiestcadaverbeing in Utah(dry climate) its not as critical to get a marine sub, if you look for a sub with a cone and surround that won't have issues with a little moister. A lot of high end systems in boats don't use marine subs because they don't perform as well compared to higher end car subs. @Wylietunes can give you a lot more details on how watts impact sounds etc.... Don't be fooled into thinking watts=sounds output and quality. Think of it like putting a 700hp motor in for pinto wagon. It has power but its junk. A mini cooper with a 300hp motor will have better overall performance with less horsepower, a Porsche 911 with 400 HP will perform even better, and dodge hellcat with 717 HP is another better performer. All have different costs but all have different performance in certain areas. This is the wetsounds you probably want https://www.wetsounds.com/product/REVO-12-XXX-V4-B bloodiestcadaver 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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